flutem3
Thu., May. 15, 2008, 10:11 pm
Hello to one and all,
I need some information. How do I know if JavaScript is turned on? I found 7 files on my computer but don't know what they mean or what to do with them.
How do you make pages for people who have JavaScript turned on as well as those who have it turned off? I know that Java is not the same as JavaScript.
How are links made without the underline? I see them made that way in the body of articles etc. And if I am going to make my menu a text menu and I am, I need for everyone to be able to use it, but I don't want it underlined. If I make a text menu and links, of course are text or images or whatever, can people with JavaScript turned off read them? Can a "reader" read them?
Did anyone find a website where we can check colors to make certain that people with various kinds of color-blindness can see our sites?
Does anyone know whether using "gradient" coloring is "out-of-style"? Does anyone know what things specifically are considered "in-style" right now?
That ought to keep us all busy...especially me.
Thanks!
Bless one and all,
Carol
David Gillaspey
Fri., May. 16, 2008, 3:35 pm
Hi Carol,
To preface all my answers:
JavaScript is only an issue if you include JavaScript code in the source code of your web pages. If you don't deliberately include JavaScript code (that is, scripting) to one extent or another in your source code, then it doesn't matter whether users have JavaScript turned on or off.
How do I know if JavaScript is turned on?Presumably, you mean, on your computer. The problem for web designers is that we don't know if JavaScript is turned on or off on users' computers.
In Firefox on the PC, under Tools => Options => Content
http://greatchurchwebsites.org/art/FORUM/firefox_js.jpg
For Internet Explorer:
From http://kb.iu.edu/data/ahqx.html are these instructions:
To enable or disable JavaScript, follow these steps:
From the Tools menu, choose Internet Options... .
Click the Security tab.
Click Custom Level... .
Scroll to the "Scripting" section of the list. Click Disable or Enable.
Close and restart your browser.
http://greatchurchwebsites.org/art/FORUM/ie_js.jpg
Note that "JavaScript" is not explicitly mentioned in this panel of settings. I wonder how many PC users even know how to turn off JavaScript, as a result.
I found 7 files on my computer but don't know what they mean or what to do with them.Sorry, but that's a different issue from JavaScript. Unless you can provide their file names, or a screenshot, I can't help you there.
How do you make pages for people who have JavaScript turned on as well as those who have it turned off?I can think of at least two options:
* Minimize the amount of JavaScript you use in your code, or don't use any.
* Use JavaScript, but provide alternates (alternate methods of accomplishing something) for people who have JavaScript turned off.
Again, JavaScript is only an issue if you choose to include JavaScript code in your pages. A lot of what formerly required JavaScript to be implemented, such as rollover navigational buttons, can be done easier, faster, and better through CSS alone now.
How are links made without the underline?
If you use an "inline" style:
<a href = "filename.html" style = "text-decoration: none;">
Note the semicolon before the closing quote mark.
For an external style sheet, use this instead:
a { text-decoration: none; }
(yes, the "a" is part of the code)
The latter, however, will turn off underlines for all links on a page, which is probably not what you want. So, surround your menu in a DIV with an appropriate class or ID, for example,
<div id = "menu">
code here
</div>
or
<div class = "menu">
code here
</div>
then use this code:
#menu a { text-decoration: none; }
or
.menu a { text-decoration: none; }
in the external CSS style sheet.
The pound sign and the dot above are significant.
Use the # sign if you use
id = "menu"
Use the dot if you use
class = "menu"
(You don't have to use the word "menu" -- use anything you want, as long as it's one word.)
If I make a text menu and links, of course are text or images or whatever, can people with JavaScript turned off read them?Again, that depends upon whether you use JavaScript code with the links or not. You don't have to.
In about a week, I'll launch the School for Church Webmasters website
http://www.school-for-church-webmasters.org/
(Just the promotional or descriptive site about about the school -- no courses yet. Presently it's just a graphical flowchart, but I'm adding 15,000 words and 80 pages to the site.)
It features a cool rollover horizontal menu done entirely with CSS -- no JavaScript.
Can a [screen] "reader" read them?Don't know. Screen readers read text, so I don't think they read JavaScript code. Use of JavaScript may very well interfere with a blind user's use of a screen reader, however.
Did anyone find a website where we can check colors to make certain that people with various kinds of color-blindness can see our sites?Try this site:
http://wellstyled.com/tools/colorscheme2/index-en.html
But I encourage you to first read about color blindness by searching the internet for articles about this subject.
Does anyone know whether using "gradient" coloring is "out-of-style"?If you're talking about backgrounds and banners, then subtle gradients are fine -- no rainbow colors, however.
Does anyone know what things specifically are considered "in-style" right now?That's a broad question. You may need to narrow down what it is you're talking about.
However, regarding backgrounds specifically, plain (white or color) backgrounds are used a lot, as well as subtle repeated patterns. Don't use the garish repeated patterns that characterized web design in the '90s.
If you want to be trendy, use a filigree (vine like) in your background. But again, subtle is the goal. If the vine pattern calls attention to itself, then that's not good.
Hope this is helpful.
flutem3
Fri., May. 16, 2008, 4:41 pm
Hi, David,
Thank you so much for your time. I know without a shadow of a doubt that if people do not have JavaScript enabled, they cannot read our menu.
In retooling our website I am just going to use regular text links on the left side of the menu as they are now...but I want all of them to be accessible for everyone...reader or not. But I think having them underlined would be "junky".
I asked about gradient colors because I really like them in a banner.
There are some slick things that people do to indicate that when they click a link they will be going to another website, but I have not seen any for awhile. And I know this sounds nuts, but I still want a novice to be able to navigate our site and know with confidence that he/she will end up where he/she thought he/she would. (My that is awkward, isn't it?) :confused:
When I made the website to begin with, I placec each and every side of a box on the page one by one on each and every page. I think with Blue Voda I can make a basic template with borders Church name, address, etc. which will be the same on each page. I can roam around in the middle. Does that sound feasible to you? I still don't know enough about HTML and css to do much with it so I work around it. Maybe that isn't the best way...and it isn't. If I were a few years younger, I know I would learn it. But there are other priorities now which are much higher than learning HTML and css.
Have you seen the Sermon Player on our website? Go to:
www.wabashfirstumc.org/sermon_player.html (http://www.wabashfirstumc.org/sermon_player.html)
It is free or you can pay and have it the color of the site. After I downloaded it, I received a welcoming email. Then about three days later, I received another one which asked if I was having problems of any kind. And that a phone call to set up an appointment so I could learn to take full advantage of the sermon player. I had trouble with something a couple of weeks later, sent an email, received a call to fix the situation...and it was the same man I had talked to in the first place. How neat is that!! It is much faster than what I was doing as well.
If anyone is interested, go to:
www.sermonplayer.com (http://www.sermonplayer.com)
Thanks again, David. Hope the family is well.
Carol
generalhavok
Sat., May. 24, 2008, 11:05 am
Hi, David,
Thank you so much for your time. I know without a shadow of a doubt that if people do not have JavaScript enabled, they cannot read our menu.
This is exactly why I never use javascript in a menu. Ever. Search engines can't read through them, either...which is a deal-breaker for me. If anyone is going to use a javascript menu, I tell them it's better to make it from Flash...at least the number of people who can't use it will be lower.
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