IE 7 beta

[McDLT]

Does anyone have this yet? What do you think of it?

[flutem3]

Hi, Dawn,

Welcome back!! I have heard about it, but what I have heard sounds like glitches. I am not going to try it until I hear someone say how good it is. I am not very good at fixing glitches.

Carol

[ckvkkeek]

Glitches is putting it nicely. I will stick with Mozilla.

[Faithhb_lutheran]

I just downloaded the beta 2 edition the other day and have yet to install it. I have a friend that does a lot of graphics stuff and he has installed it and says it works fine for him. Once it is finished it will be a real upgrade fro those currently using IE6 but I doubt it will regain any of the ground that it has lost in the last few years. PC magazine had an article in their may edition about how to get the functionality of both IE7 and vista from you computer now.

[flutem3]

I am really spooked about trying either one. I am going to wait until you guys have it all figured out. That way, if I run into trouble, I will know who to ask for help. :D Are they both free updates? Is Vista the update for XP? I didn't think Vista was ready to go yet. I must be way behind.

Carol

[JackWolfgang]

Does anyone have this yet? What do you think of it?

I tried it in a virtual machine here at work. I thought the UI was kind of a ripoff of the Firefox UI. I haven't had a lot of time to play with it, though.

I will say that I am not sure I liked Microsoft's gutsy move of dropping the menu strip.

[Faithhb_lutheran]

Carol,

You are correct Vista is not ready yet ( neither is IE7 for that matter), what I was trying to say was that there are programs out there that let you do almost all the things that vista and it's included programs will do right now.

Jack,

I never noticed the menu strip being dropped. Just another reason to stick to firefox.

[flutem3]

Thank you. I enjoy and appreciate your explanations. I don't know where you find this information so early. I think you must be on the prowl for it.

Carol

[srmcatee]

I'm using Firefox. Period.

[Faithhb_lutheran]

I second srmcatee's opinion.:D

[flutem3]

Hey, you all,

I still have not figured out what is so great about Firefox. I have it on my computer, but I never use it.

Please, 'splain to me better. :confused:

Carol

[McDLT]

Jack - that's exactly what I thought when I saw it - looks a bit too much like Firefox. I, too, haven't played with it much. Hubby, who is much more into computers than I, is fiddling with it a little. He also has to know about it for work. Also which MicroSoft product doesn't come with security and other patches the minute it's released. Check out how many patches came out on Tuesday. MS is always having to patch.

Carol - Firefox is more secure than IE. That is the main feature. I really like how you can set up tabs rather than opening a new window for each website you visit. You should try it out for a week or two and see if you like it. Nothing like playing with it.

Just some of my personal thoughts.

[JackWolfgang]

I still have not figured out what is so great about Firefox. I have it on my computer, but I never use it.

Please, 'splain to me better. :confused:

Firefox is also more standards compliant than IE. Which means if you code with web standards, checking with Firefox is a good first test. Then you can make small tweaks for IE.

[flutem3]

Hi, Jack,

Speaking of websites, Firefox, and IE: I am not able to make parts of our website look the same on both browsers no matter what I do. Therefore, since the majority of people, 85%, who view our website use IE, I design the website to look okay on it. If I could do both, I would. But I don't think that WYSIWYG is designed to be that flexible. Maybe some day it will be flexible for those of us who either don't have the time or for some other reason are unable to put in the time required to learn HTML et. al.

However, I am confused about another thing. I am just mystified why some people do not use margins on much on their text. It will just absolutely be jammed into an area. I see this over and over again. The websites that I know about which are like that are either made by some very young people or those using FrontPage. I don't know about Dreamweaver. However, I do know a guy who has been coding for about 1000 years, and he can make a website dance a jig so to speak...margins and all.

But he usually keeps his pages rather simple. They are so much easier to read and navigate. I like to put all kinds of stuff on the index page, and I did when I started out. I figured if people didn't see it there, they would never see it. In a way, I still feel the same way. But I have been cutting it back. I have asked others this question, and I finally got around to asking myself, "Who is going to read this stuff?" It has to be mighty potent, or the answer is that very few people will.

I wish I knew just how to make a website "sticky." I just keep working at it. I am hoping that some day I will find out.

Carol

[Faithhb_lutheran]

Carol,

It is completely acceptable to program for the majority of your audience. I would guess that your WYSIWYG editor was built with IE in mind and that's why it has trouble with Firefox.

As for the margins, you are right their lack is quite annoying, a lot of developers use that same logic about users to reason out having everything on the homepage and unfortunately they are right most of the time.

[Faithhb_lutheran]

One thing to remember about IE7 is that once Vista comes out it will use the new rendering system.

[flutem3]

One thing to remember about IE7 is that once Vista comes out it will use the new rendering system.

Hi, Kyle,

What does the above mean? Does it mean that when Vista comes out, I can't use the stuff I have? I can't afford to get more.

Regarding designing a website to the target audience: There is where I find the statistics so valuable. I can tell what people are watching on what system, what resolution, and which browser. Right now, 80% watch on IE. However, Firefox has gained a bit of ground over the last year.

I have a hunch that lots of people are like me and cannot tell why Firefox is considered better...even after you all have told me. I cannot tell a difference...and it takes longer to load than IE. If I knew of one concrete thing that would be very useful to me, I might change. I haven't found that as yet. I check Firefox out from time to time. But I can't tell why it is better.

Do you happen to know of a screen reader I could use to check out my new site design or someone who uses one? I have realized, finally, why the alternate text is important. Until yesterday, I didn't know.

I was wondering if you also know of some free or trial utility or tool that I can use to check whether my color combinations are okay for people with various kinds of color-blindness.

Thanks,

Carol

[McDLT]

One thing to remember about IE7 is that once Vista comes out it will use the new rendering system.

The proper term might be "that IF Vista comes out". It's been delayed and changed so much who knows what will become of it. ;)

[Faithhb_lutheran]

carol,

As far as my earlier post, Vista will use a new 3d graphics system, The details confuse even me but the basics are this, with the new 3d rendering system ( as compared to the current 2d system in XP) the programs can be made to be a lot more efficient.

As far as your program needs, the best advice I can give is go to download.com and search for what you need.

McDLT,

Vista is coming out, the reason it has been so delayed is that microsoft is trying to not commit the same mistakes it has made in the past of selling non finished products. They want Vista to last at least 5-10 years so they are trying to get every last bug out.