Hi from Liverpool, UK

[fortheworld]

I'm only at the 'drag & drop' stage of building websites but I enjoyed putting together our church's website:

http://www.emmanuelnetherton.org

I'm more excited about reaching people with the good news about Jesus than I am about learning html. But maybe one day I'll bite the bullet and get stuck in to the real thing.
All the best
Mark

[flutem3]

Hi, Mark,

Welcome! I am glad to see someone else say he is at the drop and drag stage. That is where I am too. If not for that method, we wouldn't have a website. Some people might think that would be better, but I think it is better to try...and get better with time than not to do a website at all because I cannot do a "professional" job. I will not ever do a professional job. I don't have the training and doubt that I ever will.

I am interested in html more because I am curious about it than for any other reason. I can use it for odds and ends which is more than I could do last year at this time. I doubt that I will ever invest the time to be able to do an entire website in html. I have finally come to terms with that...I think. :D

Anyway, welcome aboard. You will find some right bright people here. And they are nice too!!!

Carol

[David Gillaspey]

I am interested in html more because I am curious about it than for any other reason. I can use it for odds and ends which is more than I could do last year at this time. Hi Carol,

All websites use HTML. Drag 'n' drop programs (by which is presumably meant WYSIWYG web design programs) such as Frontpage, Dreamweaver, and GoLive merely allow you to design websites without actually knowing or caring about code.

The reason people learn HTML code is enable them to do things their WYSIWYG program of choice won't allow them to do.

Sincerely,

David Gillaspey
President
Great Church Websites

[flutem3]

David wrote:

"All websites use HTML. Drag 'n' drop programs (by which is presumably meant WYSIWYG web design programs) such as Frontpage, Dreamweaver, and GoLive merely allow you to design websites without actually knowing or caring about code."


HI, David,

I finally understand that. I misspoke (?) myself. I know it goes on whether I use it on purpose or not. I think I know that one of the greatest advantages of doing your own html correctly is that you have much more control over the file size...assuming a person can write clean html. I have heard that many people who think they can do so really can't and end up with huge files despite their knowledge. I would find that discouraging.

However, I am learning how the file size eliminates people who are on dial-up from using a site if they have to wait very long at all. And the majority of those in our church who have computers have dial-up...about 70% in fact. Now, I have more understanding why they don't use our website frequently. I do not know exactly how long it takes the index page to load on dial-up, but it is too long. That much I do know.

Whatever I do when I redesign, I must decrease those file sizes so that more people will get in. I have discovered this when looking at the site statistics over time. Many, many people arrive and have gotten there with our URL only to leave promptly. I think the only reason is the length of time it takes. That is all I can figure out after all this time. It is striking actually...lots of people arrive and leave.

Are any of you familiar with Nvu? If so, what do you think. My feeling about it is that I may have the best of both worlds with it. I can use both html and WYSIWYG if I want to. Will someone who understands these things better than I please take a look and let me know? Thanks!!

[mrbelfry]

Hi Mark

greetings from Manchester, UK. Hope you enjoy using the site