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grogers

Sat., Jul. 16, 2005, 9:14 am

I've been reading the posts here for some time and have learned a lot from you all. Thought I should introduce myself and get to know everyone better.

I live in Northern Arkansas in the Sylamore Forest, where the air is clean and the lakes sparkle. My little town is quite small but there's plenty to do. There are great trails to ride my bicycle, and the White River is close so fishing is a great past time. A beautiful lake is close by so we can swim and water ski when we have time.

I'm not a computer whiz but have been able to develop a website which occupies much time since I'm constantly learning new things. I have a question that I hope someone can help me answer:

How do you remove the "Title Bar" on a webpage?

I really appreciate all the work that has been done providing this forum and look forward to visiting often.

Gwen Rogers

David Gillaspey

Sat., Jul. 23, 2005, 3:10 pm

Hi grogers,

<< Northern Arkansas in the Sylamore Forest >>

Is that part of the Ozarks? I tried to find Sylamore Forest on the map but couldn't. But the Ozarks in general (if that's where you are located) are marvelous.

How do you remove the "Title Bar" on a webpage?I'm not an expert on this, but I'll offer these suggestions: I don't think you can remove the Title Bar from a page opened by a normal <a> link. But you can customize a window a lot when creating one using the JavaScript method "window.open". (I always found this to be very tricky, however.) Here's one link (of many) that explains how to do this:

http://www.devguru.com/Technologies/ecmascript/quickref/win_open.html

but the article warns that most of the attributes that you might want to turn on or off are only possible to specify in Netscape. Title bar is one of those, unfortunately.

Other articles:

http://www.javascripter.net/faq/openinga.htm
http://www.pageresource.com/jscript/jwinopen.htm (includes some warnings about gotchas)

The official Microsoft explanation of the window.open method is here:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/author/dhtml/reference/methods/open_1.asp

etc.

Anyway, do a search for "javascript window.open" (no quotes) on Google to find lots of links about it.

I'm assuming here you want NO title bar, as opposed to a title bar with nothing in it.

Sincerely,

David Gillaspey
President
Great Church Websites

flutem3

Sat., Jul. 23, 2005, 3:41 pm

David wrote:

<<I'm assuming here you want NO title bar, as opposed to a title bar with nothing in it.>>

Hi,

I am loathe to be this dense, but what is everyone referring to as a "title bar?" Do I have one? Is it good, bad, or neutral? Why would a person remove one?

Thank you for informing this clueless soul.

Carol :confused:

David Gillaspey

Sat., Jul. 23, 2005, 4:42 pm

Hi Carol,

In Internet Explorer or Firefox on the PC, the title bar is the dark blue bar at the very top of the window, right above the File, Edit, etc., menu options. There usually is type there ? white type on the blue background, set flush left.

On the Macintosh, the bar is light gray, the type or title is black, and it is centered.

What you see there ? the "Title" of the page ? is controlled by this code

<head>
<title>This is the copy that appears in the title bar of a browser window</title>

... other code

</head>

at the top of HTML pages.

Popup windows often are programmed to not have a title bar.

Sincerely,

David Gillaspey
President
Great Church Websites

flutem3

Sat., Jul. 23, 2005, 6:55 pm

David wrote:

<< In Internet Explorer or Firefox on the PC, the title bar is the
dark blue bar at the very top of the window, right above the File, Edit, etc., menu options. There usually is type there ? white type on the blue background, set flush left.>>

Hi, David,

Good grief! I have looked at the "title bar" all this time and didn't know what it was called. It is amazing what a person can miss sometimes...at least this person. I read what was written on it, of course, but gave no thought to its name.

Thanks for the explanation!!

Carol :rolleyes:

mrbelfry

Mon., Jul. 25, 2005, 3:22 am

Hello grogers - welcome to the forum

Good grief! I have looked at the "title bar" all this time and didn't know what it was called. It is amazing what a person can miss

lol - this is so true. I remember having to try and explain to our assistant pastor what the desktop was over the telephone. It was a little difficult! I also used to teach old people how to use computers. I would often say "move the mouse up" and then they'd pick up the mouse and start waving it around - lol we had some good times!

It is easy to forget that to a lot of people us just being able to turn a computer on makes us experts of the highest order

grogers

Mon., Jul. 25, 2005, 11:11 am

Hi everyone,

Thanks for the helpful suggestions, David. I wouldn't mind if the title bar shows up, I just didn't want anything on it.

The problem is that websites using my lesson's content may not want the URL of my address showing up in the title bar.

I'm using a javascript command they can use to post my Bible lessons on their website. The first part of the command works great. When they click on the questions for the lesson, the new window opens with the lesson inserted and my URL shows up. I can use the <iframe> command but it comes up with a white background and theirs may be another color.

Thanks again

Gwen

David Gillaspey

Mon., Jul. 25, 2005, 11:29 am

Hi Gwen,

Can you provide an example site?

Sincerely,

David Gillaspey
President
Great Church Websites

David Gillaspey

Mon., Jul. 25, 2005, 2:44 pm

Hi Gwen,

Thanks for providing examples. I'm still confused, but I'll try to answer anyway.

I'm confused in part because I can't tell what your role is in all this. Are you with the Bible Crusaders organization, are you working for them as a client, or are you in the middle borrowing content from both Bible Crusaders and BibleGateway (the scripture refs) for your own website, which you are making available to others for syndication? I don't personally care, but it would help me (and all of us on the forum) to know what code and pages you have control over, and what you don't.

A. On this page:

http://www.bible-ebooks.com/tencommands.html

1. the background color of the main page is whiteActually, it's not. The background color for the page is #D7BED7 (looking at the source code) ? light purple. The white background that the visitor sees is the background to a table cell. The background color of a table cell will always override the background color of page, which I think explains part of your problem.

B. On this page:

http://www.crusadersbiblecourse.com/sample.html
1. the background color of the assignment page is light brown; however, when you click on the "Questions For This Lesson," the background is white and it opens a popup window with the URL showing in the title bar.It's interesting that the URL you are talking about (in the title bar) only shows in Firefox on the Mac and I.E. on the PC. It doesn't show in I.E. on the Mac and in Firefox on the PC. Go figure.

Popups are created using Javascript code I mentioned before. I need to see the actual code you are using to help any further.

I'm also confused because of your terminology. You speak of an assigment page, but your examples actually contain the word "Assignment" near the bottom, followed by Scripture references. So I think the entire page is the Assignment, and the Scripture references should be re-labeled as "Reading Assignment" so that you don't end up using the same term to mean two different things.

(Don't give up. We'll solve this yet.)

Sincerely,

David Gillaspey
President
Great Church Websites

flutem3

Mon., Jul. 25, 2005, 9:57 pm

Mr. Belfry wrote:

<< I also used to teach old people how to use computers. I would often say "move the mouse up" and then they'd pick up the mouse and start waving it around - lol we had some good times!>>

Mr. Belfry:

How old are "old people," Mr. Belfry? Please don't be too hard on us. We try so hard!! However, I am not old. I am, however, older than I was when I was 63 which was last year. :D Where did you teach people to use computers? I live in a town of 12,000, and there are precious few places for older people to learn to use computers. And there is hardly any place that I know of that provides computers for people to use for email, etc. in the event they don't have the money to buy and maintain a computer. I struggle like crazy to pay the monthly fee.

I think this would be a good mission for churches.

Any thoughts anyone...ideas, existing program examples?

Thanks!!!

Carol

mrbelfry

Tue., Jul. 26, 2005, 3:36 am

Hi Carol

At the risk of going off topic 64 isn't that old! I was teaching really old people 75+. I used to teach in nursing homes and day centres for a local college. I live in a city of 5.5million so it is a little bigger than where you are. Generally speaking there are lots of courses that people can do to learn how to use computers and most of those you don't pay for if you are retired or out of work. I guess this is one of the advantages of living in a big city - but it isn't safe to go out at night which is why we need to use computers :-)

David Gillaspey

Tue., Jul. 26, 2005, 11:05 am

Hi Gwen,

I'm glad you found a way to deal with the background color!

Sincerely,

David Gillaspey
President
Great Church Websites