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zzyxxe
Wed., Jun. 22, 2005, 3:09 pm
Wow! Since so much good advice was given to MrBelfry when he asked for a critique, I'd like to ask for the same. Anything would be helpful!

My wife and I redesigned our church's website in April. The previous version of our church's website was stuck in 1997... both in style and up-to-date information. We totally started from scratch for the current version.

We tried to use many of the tips found on this website, but I know there is more to do. Please let us know what you think. Be honest, be brutal, we can take it :) Our work was such an improvement over the old design that all we hear is praise, so some honest to goodness criticism and suggestions for improvement would be much appreciated!

Here it is:
www.simivalleycommunitychurch.org

Thanks,
zzyxxe

David Gillaspey
Wed., Jun. 22, 2005, 8:49 pm
Hi zzyxxe,

Yes, I'd be happy to do that for you. Give me a few days, however ? I'm working on another project at the moment.

I can tell you that your site crashes I.E. 5.2 on my Macintosh. Now to be sure, I.E. 5.2 is not fully CSS-compliant (I've been having a lively conversation with generalhavok about this), but a site shouldn't crash any browser, in my opinion. Sometimes that's caused by a Java applet, however.

Regardless, I'll look at your site in Firefox on the Macintosh.

Sincerely,

David Gillaspey
President
Great Church Websites

mrbelfry
Thu., Jun. 23, 2005, 3:37 am
Hi zzyxxe

I had a quick look at your site on win2000 IE6. Your home page contains lots of important information that I might need - although it took me a little while to work out what time your services start (even though they are in bold - so maybe that was just me being stupid).

On your calendar page you do link to some more information about your events. Perhaps you could do the same from the home page?

Overall I found the site easy to use with every button taking me somewhere I'd expect - except the welcome button. This took me back to the home page when I was expecting some kind of message from your pastor.

However my biggest criticism is that there are no pictures of your church people on the site. There is an excellent debate about how/when to use pictures elsewhere on the forum so I could understand why some people may be cautious when it comes to using images of 'real' people (as opposed to stock images). However I think church websites should reflect the people in the church because they are the church (this is my inarticulate way of saying I think pictures are important).

On a massive plus - your information all looks up to date which is something I always struggle with and one of David's bugbears. So kudos for that - infact your site passes as excellent by UK standards!

ps. Do your men really get up at 7am to paint the church?

David Gillaspey
Tue., Jun. 28, 2005, 12:14 pm
Hi zzyxxe,

Sorry to take so long compiling this list.

(Some of the explanation below is for the benefit of everyone.)

In general, you have a nice looking site. I say this having reviewed 1000s of church websites, most of which are outdated in appearance.

Home page:

On the positive side, you have the address and phone number of your church clearly displayed. Many church websites make visitors hunt for this information. (On many of the church websites I've reviewed, this information is either on the Service Times page, the Contact Us page, or About Us page. There being no set rule for where this information goes, visitors have to guess where it is. It belongs on the home page.)

You've included a link to the webmaster (yourself). That's important. It enables visitors to report problems.

You've included "alt" text descriptions for images in the HTML code. That's good. This is used by the screen readers that blind people use to browse websites.

On the down side, using buttons for navigation, as you have on the left of the page, is no longer in style. Use simple text links instead. They are nice-looking buttons, to be sure, but they make your site look a bit dated.

It's picky, I know, but shouldn't "City, State or Zip:" (get directions, on the right) be "City & State, or Zip:"?

My opinion is that the area of a computer screen is extremely valuable "real estate". With this context in mind, consider reducing the size of your banner in half. Make it only half as deep as it is now.

With regard to that banner, it's probable the cross on the hill is a recognizable landmark in your area. Nevertheless, I have to recommend replacing it with a photo or photos of people. This is because a church is a community of people. Try to use one of several possible techniques to rotate the actual photos. This could result in a different picture every time someone visited the site, or the photo swapping out before their eyes. On my "Seen and noted" page, there's links to examples of this.

I would also encourage the use of a different typeface in the banner. However, maybe that's the same font used in the church logo. The font used in the banner just doesn't have a contemporary feel to it. (Also, at the risk of being sexist, the font is too feminine in appearance. That doesn't help you to attract men to your church. Men in general attend church less than women do.)

I would encourage you to surround all the contents with a box, and, as well, put a thin vertical line between the left and middle columns, and the middle and right columns. (See my own site for an example.)

Further, I would encourage you to make all the content centered horizontally in the browser. This can be done through tables or CSS, and is called (by one author, not me) "liquid design."

The "Welcome" button should be a "Home" button.

OTHER PAGES:

When I click on "About our church" (and also "Adult Ministries") then I see four shortened buttons for the submenus. This is just plain non-standard design. First, the buttons should just be plain text links (text links load faster and are by default readable by screen browsers). However, if you choose to keep the buttons, then for the submenus, use full width buttons (same width as all the other buttons), and just make them a different color.

The button or link to "Searching?" should not be hidden as a submenu under "About our church". Make it a top-level link or button.

It's interesting, and I think commendable, that the Calendar page is divided into special events and recurring (regularly occurring) events. Normally online church calendars combine both. That makes it a little harder to spot the special events.

On the Youth Ministries page, downloading the medical release form leaves the user with a new but blank browser window. That's because your code is

<a target="_blank" href="Documents/Medical%20release%20forms%20for%20youth.pdf">

I think you can leave out the "target='blank' " without a problem.

Your College/Career Ministry page talks about "winter retreat time" (and only about retreats ? what else do they do in this ministry?). The dates for the retreats are in early September, which is actually late summer, not winter. So, there's a disconnect between content and retreat dates.

On the Missions page, the "missionary information" and "webpage" links for the Chapmans, Gollings and Millhouses point to the same URL (a different one per family, I mean). This seems redundant to me. Users will expect the two links for each family to go to different websites.

Finally, I concur with mrbelfry regarding adding photos of people to your site.

Sincerely,

David Gillaspey
President
Great Church Websites

mrbelfry
Wed., Jun. 29, 2005, 9:07 am
I love it when David checks out a site. His responses are always amazing. Thanks!

David Gillaspey
Wed., Jun. 29, 2005, 9:49 am
You're welcome!

Sincerely,

David Gillaspey
President
Great Church Websites

Jayberz
Sat., Sep. 3, 2005, 11:09 pm
Hello,

I have a lot of seconds to David's critique, but they can be helpful because it will let you know what areas you really need to focus on.

Right away I felt a little disjointed because there is no containing structure on the page. It needs a thin border or background color behind different elements to not only distinguish them but pull everything together.

I also think the banner is too large.

Eliminate the coming soon button. I have found things that are not there only serve to annoy people rather than build excitement.

Many people go back and forth on this, but I personally think it's unprofessional to have a big welcome message.

On your sub pages the menu buttons are jumping down to the middle of the page instead of staying to the verticle top. That is not userfriendly and doesn't look very good either.

There needs to be picture of people on your site.

It might be a good idea to put your city and state and full church name in all of your page titles to help your search engine rankings.

I would eliminate all mailto: links on the site and use a form to contact pastors and anyone else. I have a very easy asp mail form. If you want to use it let me know.

All of the things I mentioned are picky, but put together they can improve your site immensly. You have done a great job on content (which is the most important) and keeping the site up to date (the second most important).

Good Job!

Josh Byers